
2009-08-09, 07:37 AM
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عضو متميز بمنتدى أنصار السنة
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تاريخ التسجيل: 2009-05-27
المشاركات: 1,406
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اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة صهيب
آسف يا زميلي كنت استوضح وكان أملي أن أراد ردا مقنعا أو أن تتجاهل السؤال أفضل من أن تقوم بسفسطة لا طائل من ورائها
خاصة قولك
جمعت علماء السنة معكم وهذه مردودة ومرفوضة والمقارنة غير مقبولة
1 - لأن السؤال عن مراجعكم
2 - أن مراجعكم كانوا عالة على أهل السنة فلا سبيل أن يكونوا مثلهم
والدليل
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mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; mso-default-props:yes; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi; mso-fareast-language:EN-US;} .MsoPapDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; margin-bottom:10.0pt; line-height:115%;} @page Section1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; mso-header-margin:36.0pt; mso-footer-margin:36.0pt; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Tableau Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-qformat:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin-top:0cm; mso-para-margin-right:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0cm; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> يقول الحر العاملي<o:p> </o:p>في ترجمة الشهيد الثاني في امل الامل<o:p>
</o:p> الشيخ الأجل زين الدين بن علي بن أحمد بن محمد بن جمال الدين بن تقي الدين بن صالح [ تلميذ العلامة ] العاملي الجبعي الشهيد الثاني أمره في الثقة والعلم والفضل والزهد والعبادة والورع والتحقيق [ والتبحر ] وجلالة القدر وعظم الشأن وجمع الفضائل والكمالات أشهر من أن يذكر ، ومحاسنه وأوصافه الحميدة أكثر من أن تحصى وتحصر ، ومصنفاته كثيرة مشهورة ..... الى ان قال<o:p>
</o:p> وكان فقيها محدثا نحويا قارئا متكلما حكميا جامعا لفنون العلم ، وهو أول من صنف من الامامية في دراية الحديث ، لكنه نقل الاصطلاحات من كتب العامة - كما ذكره ولده وغيره .
3 - أن التناقضات بينهم لم تترك مجالا للثقة في رواية واحدة
مثال: بحار الأنوار الأصل على ما أذكر 55 كتابا عند موت صاحبه أصبح اليوم 110
الكافي 35 عند موت صاحبة أصبح اليوم 55
والخلاصة
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